Dec 02, 2021 Called Board Meeting Agenda and Notice

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THE TIME IS 3:25 PM.

WE HAVE A QUORUM IN THIS MEETING HAS BEEN DULY POSTED.

GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO THE CALLED BOARD MEETING OF THE DALLAS INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT BOARD OF TRUSTEES.

WE WILL DISPENSE WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IN A SALUTE TO THE TEXAS FLAG, AS WE HAD JUST COMPLETED THAT IN OUR PREVIOUS MEETINGS.

THE FOLLOWING TRUSTEES ARE EITHER PHYSICALLY PRESENT OR PARTICIPATING SIMULTANEOUSLY BY VIDEO CONFERENCE. A QUORUM OF THE BOARD IS PHYSICALLY PRESENT AT THIS LOCATION EDWIN FLORES, DUSTIN MARSHALL, DAN MICCICHE, KARLA GARCIA, MAXIE JOHNSON, JOYCE FOREMAN, BEN MACKEY, JOE CARREÓN AND JUSTIN HENRY, OUR SUPERINTENDENT SCHOOLS, MICHAEL HINOJOSA IS NOT CURRENTLY WITH US, BUT WE HAVE THE REST OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE TEAM, INCLUDING SUSANA CORDOVA, OUR DEPUTY SUPERINTENDENT, AND I AM BEN MACKEY, BOARD PRESIDENT.

THIS MEETING WILL BE AVAILABLE SIMULTANEOUSLY IN SPANISH ON SOCIAL MEDIA THROUGH DALLAS ISD AND ESPANOL ON FACEBOOK AND THROUGH THE DISTRICT'S WEBSITE.

[3. CLOSED SESSION - The Board will retire to closed session pursuant to Texas Government Code Section 551 concerning the following sections:]

THE BOARD WILL RETIRED A CLOSED SESSION PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551 CONCERN. IN THE FOLLOWING SECTION THE BOARD WILL RETIRE CLOSED SESSION.

PUBLIC AND STAFF ARE WELCOME TO STAY CONNECTED TO THE ZOOM WHILE THE BOARD LEAVES THIS MEETING TO ATTEND THE SESSION.

THE BOARD WILL RETIRE FOR CLOSED SESSION PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551 CONCERNING ANY AND ALL PURPOSES PERMITTED BY THE ACT, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, 551071 FOR PRIVATE CONSULTATION WITH ITS ATTORNEY ABOUT PENDING OR CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION, OR ON A MATTER IN WHICH THE DUTY OF THE ATTORNEY TO THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY UNDER THE TEXAS DISCIPLINARY RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT IN THE STATE BAR OF TEXAS CLEARLY CONFLICTS WITH THIS CHAPTER, INCLUDING LEGAL MATTERS RELATED TO REDISTRICTING.

THE TIME IS NOW 3:27 P.M.

AND WE ARE IN CLOSED SESSION.

WE DO NOT ESTIMATE THAT IT WILL BE A LONG CLOSED SESSION.

ALL RIGHT, THE TIME IS NOW FOR TWO P.M.

AND WE ARE BACK IN OPEN SESSION, THE BOARD TOOK NO ACTION IN CLOSED SESSION, SO WE'LL

[A. Discussion of Redistricting Plan and Proposed Maps]

I WILL TURN IT OVER TO OUR TEAM.

FOR A BRIEF PRESENTATION, FOLLOWED BY TRUSTEE QUESTIONS.

[LAUGHTER] THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU. PRESIDENT MACKEY AND TRUSTEES AND DEPUTY SUPERINTENDENT CORDOVA, I APPRECIATE IT. THE TEAM HERE COMES TO YOU TODAY WITH A PRESENTATION THAT CONTAINS THREE MAPS.

I'D LIKE TO EXPLAIN THE WHAT THOSE THREE MAPS ARE.

THE FIRST MAP HAS TO DO WITH THE PLAN W THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD AT THE LAST MEETING. AS A RESULT OF THAT MEETING, THERE WAS A LOT OF FRUITFUL DISCUSSION ABOUT ADDITIONAL CONCERNS OR TWEAKS THAT THAT SOME TRUSTEES WANTED TO SEE MADE.

WE TOOK THAT INPUT AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL INPUT RECEIVED AFTER THAT MEETING WITH REGARD TO THE PLAN W MAP THAT WAS DISCUSSED.

THE ITERATION THEN BECAME PLAN Y, WHICH IS IN YOUR PRESENTATION AS WELL, AND PLAN Y ITSELF IS IS REALLY A PRIMARY PLAN.

EXCUSE ME, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT DO YOU HAVE SOME COPIES SO WE CAN? YES. COPIES OF THE MAPS MS. FOREMAN. MY COMPUTER IS NOT UP.

OK? MS. FOREMAN THERE WERE PDF MAPS THAT WERE SENT TO THE DISTRICT FOR PROVISION TO THE TRUSTEES. OK, THAT'S OK.

OK, GO AHEAD. NO GOOD QUESTION.

Y'ALL NEED TO SEE IT. I DON'T BLAME IT.

WE'LL GET THEM TO PRINT THEM RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE GOING TO BE SENDING YOU SOME HARD COPIES RIGHT NOW.

TRUSTEE FOREMAN.

OH, THERE YOU GO. SO THESE ARE DETAILED PDF MAPS WERE SENT TO THE DISTRICT, SO THE TRUSTEES SHOULD HAVE THOSE.

WE'RE GOING TO BRING THEM AROUND. THEY'RE MUCH MORE DETAILED THAN WHAT'S IN THE PRESENTATION. THE PLAN Y IS THE PRIMARY PLAN THAT THE REDISTRICTING TEAM IS BRINGING TO THE TRUSTEES.

SORRY, CAN YOU AT LEAST PUT IT ON THE SCREEN, PLEASE? LIKE PLAYING, THANK YOU.

SO THIS IS THE CURRENT MAP.

WITH THE RELATED DATA ANALYSIS, WHICH YOU ALL HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST, PLAN W IS THE PLAN THAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING ON NOVEMBER 16 AND THE PRIMARY PLAN WE BRING TO YOU ALL TODAY AS PART OF THE BOARD'S APPROVED PROCESS TO BRING FORWARD ONE REVISED MAP IS PLAN Y AND PLAN Y AGAIN IS PLAN W SUBJECT TO REVISIONS AND TWEAKS THAT WERE MADE AS A RESULT OF THE DISCUSSION THAT OCCURRED ON THE NOVEMBER 16TH MEETING AND SUBSEQUENT INPUT THAT THE THAT THE TEAM RECEIVED.

I DO NEED TO EXPLAIN THAT THE REASON YOU HAVE A THIRD PLAN, A PLAN Y ALTERNATIVE IS ALSO A

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THERE IS ONE DISTINCT DIFFERENCE WITH WITH PLAN Y ALTERNATIVE AND THE PRIMARY PLAN, PLAN Y. I'LL GET TO THAT HERE IN A SECOND.

I DO WANT THE BOARD TO BE AWARE OF WHAT THE CHANGES WERE WITH REGARD TO GO FROM PLAN W TO PLAN Y. THOSE SPECIFIC CHANGES ARE HIGHLIGHTED ON THIS PARTICULAR POWERPOINT AND IT REALLY INVOLVED TWEAKS MADE TO PLAN W THAT INVOLVE BOUNDARIES BETWEEN SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS ONE AND TWO, AS WELL AS BOUNDARY CHANGES BETWEEN SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS TWO AND THREE. AND SO THOSE CHANGES WERE INCORPORATED.

OTHERWISE, IT IS THE PLAN W PLAN AS IT WAS PRESENTED.

SUBSEQUENTLY AGAIN IN RECEIVING INPUT FROM THE TRUSTEES, PLAN Y ALTERNATIVE IS BEING BROUGHT TO THE TRUSTEES FOR DISCUSSION POINT.

AGAIN, IT'S NOT THE PRIMARY PLAN, BUT IT'S DISTINCTION BETWEEN PRIMARY Y IS THE CIRCLED AREA THAT YOU SEE HERE BELOW IN RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS FIVE AND SIX . AND THAT PARTICULAR AREA IS THE WILLMAR HUTCHINS AREA.

I WANT TO GO BACK AND JUST SPEAK AND EMPHASIZE THAT BOTH Y PLANS FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM HAVE THEIR FOUNDATION, THEN PLAN W.

AND PLAN W AS WE KNOW, WE WALKED THROUGH THOSE FACTORS AGAIN THAT THE BOARD WOULD SCROLL BACK HERE. I ALWAYS WANT TO.

BLESS YOU. I ALWAYS SEEK TO REMIND THE BOARD OF WHAT THOSE CRITERIA ARE, THAT YOU ALL ADOPTED THE VERY START OF THIS PROCESS.

I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THESE MAPS, PARTICULARLY NOW PLAN Y THE PRIMARY MAP IN THE CONTEXT OF THOSE SPECIFIC FACTORS AND HOW THIS PLAN BALANCES OR MEETS THOSE FACTORS.

SO CERTAINLY FROM A STATUTORY VIEWPOINT WE ARE LOOKING AT, HAVE WE GONE DOWN BELOW THE DEVIATION MARKER? AND UNDER THIS PARTICULAR PLAN, WE DO GO UNDER 10 PERCENT.

THE RESULT UNDER THE PRIMARY PLAN Y, I BELIEVE, IS 9.2 PERCENT IN TERMS OF THE DEVIATION.

WE ALSO ARE TRYING TO BALANCE OUR POPULATION AS NEARLY AS EQUAL AS POSSIBLE, AND WE FEEL THAT THAT CRITERIA HAS BEEN MET WITH REGARDS TO THIS PARTICULAR PLAN.

ANOTHER CRITERIA THAT WE ARE BEING MINDFUL OF WITH REGARDS TO THIS PLAN IS ENSURING THAT WE DO NOT HAVE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE THE AVOIDANCE OF SPLITTING PRECINCTS.

AGAIN, THE CURRENT BOUNDARIES THAT WE SIT IN TODAY OR THAT THE TRUSTEES SIT IN TODAY, THOSE BOUNDARIES DO IN FACT SPLIT CERTAIN PRECINCTS INEVITABLY.

THIS PLAN DOES NOT INCREASE THOSE TO MY UNDERSTANDING, ALTHOUGH MR. GARDNER CAN SPEAK MORE TO THAT.

IT DOES NOT INCREASE THE ADDITIONAL SPLITS WITH THOSE PRECINCTS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST.

ADDITIONALLY, WITH RESPECT TO OUR FACTORS, WE ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER THE NON-STATUTORY FACTORS THAT THIS BOARD HAS APPROVED AS PART OF ITS PROCESS, AND THOSE PARTICULAR FACTORS ARE SHOWN HERE ON THE SCREEN.

IN PARTICULAR, WE TOOK INTO ACCOUNT OBVIOUSLY THE IMPORTANCE OF PRESERVING INCUMBENT AND TRUSTEE RELATIONS.

THIS PLAN, Y PRIMARY PLAN DOES NOT DRAW OUT ANY CURRENT SITTING TRUSTEES FROM THEIR CURRENT DISTRICTS.

ADDITIONALLY, WE LOOK AT THE FACT THAT THE STATUTORY FACTOR OF KEEPING THESE DISTRICTS AS COMPACT AS CONTIGUOUS AS POSSIBLE WHILE STILL BALANCING AGAINST THE NON STATUTORY FACTOR, THE DESIRE TO PRESERVE CURRENT BOUNDARY LINES TO THE EXTENT FEASIBLE.

I THINK THE PLAN STRIKES A BALANCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO CRITERIA OR FACTORS.

THE OTHER CONSIDERATION, WHICH WAS REALLY WHAT WAS SPOKEN TO AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING, RELATES TO THE NON-STATUTORY CONSIDERATION OF MAINTAINING NEIGHBORHOODS, KEEPING NEIGHBORHOODS TOGETHER AND KEEPING COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST TOGETHER TO THE FULLEST EXTENT POSSIBLE AS WELL.

FINALLY, THE MORE YOU COULD SAY, THE MORE COMPLICATED OR THE MORE SENSITIVE CRITERIA OR FACTORS TO CONSIDER THE FACT OF HOW THIS PLAN IMPACTS OUR OUR CURRENT SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS THAT HAVE BEEN MINORITY OPPORTUNITY DISTRICTS FOR HISTORICALLY BASED ON THE ON DISTRICT ELECTIONS.

AND AS THE BOARD KNOWS, WE HAVE SOUGHT OUT THE ASSISTANCE AND REVIEW BY AN EXPERT OF THE PLAN WHO HAS COME BACK WITH A CONCLUSION THAT THE THAT THIS PARTICULAR THAT PARTICULAR

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NOR DOES IT LIKELY ALTER THE ELECTION PATTERNS TO DATE IN THE OTHER SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS. AND SO WE BELIEVE THAT THIS MEETS AND BALANCES THAT PARTICULAR FEDERAL FACTOR AS IT RELATES TO VOTER CONCERN TO AVOID RETROGRESSION OR, MORE SPECIFICALLY, VOTER DILUTION. AND SO ONE GOOD QUESTION, I THINK, IS, WELL, IF THE IF WE'VE HAD AN EXPERT REVIEW PPLAN W, BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A PRIMARY PLAN, WHY HOW DO THOSE IN FACT WORK TOGETHER PLAN WHY? AGAIN, THE CHANGES AND TWEAKS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE IN THE PRIMARY PLAN, WHY DO NOT OTHERWISE IMPACT THAT INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN CONSIDERED AND ASSESSED BY OUR EXPERT IN THEIR REVIEW AND ANALYSIS OF PLAN W? AND SO WE FEEL THAT BASED ON THAT FACT, THE CONTINUED STATEMENT THAT THE EXPERT REACH OR THE CONCLUSION REACHED BY OUR EXPERT CONTINUES TO STAY THE SAME WITH RESPECT TO THE PRIMARY PLAN. WHY? SO THOSE ARE THAT'S THE ANALYSIS OF PLAN Y AND RELATIONSHIP TO THE FACTORS THAT THE BOARD HAS APPROVED. IN TERMS OF THE DATA BREAKDOWN, I WON'T BE LABOR THE INFORMATION, BUT WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO IS PROVIDE TO THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES A BREAKDOWN OF THE ANALYSIS OF EACH OF THESE PLANS IN RELATION TO THE TWENTY 10 BENCHMARK, AS WELL AS TO THE 2020 DATA ANALYSIS. SO THIS ALLOWS THE BOARD TO COMPARE AND CONSIDER HOW EACH PLAN WORKS IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE BENCHMARK AND TO THE CURRENT BOUNDARY LINES AND WHERE POPULATIONS, AND TO ANALYZE ANY DIFFERENCES WITH THE PLANNED PRIMARY Y, AS WELL AS THE Y ALTERNATIVE AS WELL AS PLAN W.

SO AGAIN, TRUSTEES, OUR ROLE HERE TODAY WAS TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A PRIMARY PLAN AGAIN, EVOLUTION OF CONVERSATIONS IN TERMS OF THE INPUT THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED DID LEAD TO AN ALTERNATIVE. AND SO WE TURN IT OVER TO Y'ALL FOR DISCUSSION AND ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. TRUSTEES WILL OPEN UP FOR CONVERSATION DISCUSSION.

WE WILL BEGIN WITH TRUSTEE FOREMAN AND FOLLOWED BY TRUSTEE MARSHALL, FOLLOWED BY TRUSTEE HENRY. SO THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING PLAN Y AND PLAN Y ALTERNATIVE.

I'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE ATTORNEYS AND THE DEMOGRAPHER MORE THAN ONCE, DISCUSSING MY DESIRE TO SEE WILMER HUTCHINS HIGH SCHOOL MOVED BACK TO DISTRICT 6.

AND I THINK THE FIRST TIME I HAD THAT DISCUSSION, IT DIDN'T COME OUT AND PLAN W BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE IT WAS SHARED.

BUT AFTER AFTER OUR LAST CONVERSATION, I WENT BACK AND DID SOME RESEARCH, AS I NORMALLY DO, TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M PRETTY MUCH ON TARGET WITH WHAT I SAY.

SO I LOOKED AT THE TRUSTEE DISTRICTS AND THE NUMBER OF HIGH SCHOOLS THAT ARE IN EACH TRUSTEE DISTRICT.

DISTRICT ONE HAS TWO, DISTRICT 2 HAS THREE, DISTRICT FOUR HAS THREE, DISTRICT 5 HAS 13, DISTRICT 6 HAS THREE, DISTRICT 7 HAS FOR DISTRICT EIGHT, HAS ONE, DISTRICT 9, HAS SIX, DISTRICT 5 HAS 13.

AND IF I NEED TO NAME THEM, I WILL.

BUT I WAS CONCERNED AND TRYING TO GET WILMA HUTCHINS BACK INTO DISTRICT 6, WHERE IT WAS PRIOR TO THE 2010 CENSUS.

AND WHEN YOU GAVE US THE W MAP, WHICH I THINK TRUSTEE JOHNSON HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH DRAWING THE LINE WAS DRAWN ALL THE WAY UP OR CLOSE TO WILMA HUTCHINS HIGH SCHOOL.

SO I GOT ABOUT FOURTEEN HUNDRED RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA, BUT NO SCHOOL.

WHEN I WENT BACK TO THE DEMOGRAPHER TO HAVE THEM TO LOOK AT JUST MOVING THE LINE TO THE HIGH SCHOOL, THAT WAS A HUNDRED AND FORTY SIX VOTERS.

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WHILE I DON'T ASK FOR A LOT.

AND I'VE TRIED TO BE JUDICIOUS.

NO, I DON'T.

JUDICIOUS IN THIS WHOLE SITUATION.

I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE WILMA HUTCHINS HIGH SCHOOL BACK IN DISTRICT 6 WHERE IT WAS BEFORE.

AND I THINK 13 HIGH SCHOOLS IN ONE DISTRICT IS A LOT.

SHOULD I NAMED THEM FOR YOU? OR CAN YOU TRUST ME.

BECAUSE I CAN NAME THEM.

SO I JUST WANT, AND I'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH TRUSTEE JOHNSON, AND I TRIED TO MEET WITH HIM WITH THE DEMOGRAPHERS, AND HE DOESN'T WANT TO DO THAT.

SO IT LEFT ME NO ALTERNATIVE BUT TO BRING THIS TO THE BOARD.

NOW, CLEARLY, YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION, BUT THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW WHAT I KNOW. THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW WHAT I KNOW.

13 HIGH SCHOOLS IN ONE DISTRICT.

THE DIFFERENCE IN MOVING THE LINE IS 146 PEOPLE.

146 VOTERS.

TELL ME IF THAT MAKES SENSE TO YOU.

SO I AM GOING TO BE SUPPORTING THE PLAN Y ALTERNATIVE, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S ONLY FAIR THAT WE MOVE WILMA HUTCHINS HIGH SCHOOL BACK INTO DISTRICT 6.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU TRUSTEE FOREMAN.

TRUSTEE MARSHALL, FOLLOWED BY HENRY, FOLLOWED BY JOHNSON.

SO I JUST WANT TO BEGIN BY THANKING THE ATTORNEYS OF THE DEMOGRAPHER FOR MAKING SOME CHANGES TO PLAN W AND ALSO THINK TRUSTEE MICCICHE AND TRUSTEE FLORES FOR WORKING ON THE BOUNDARIES WITH DISTRICT 2.

CERTAINLY, I VOICED MY INTERESTS LAST TIME AND KEEPING THE WOODROW FEEDER PATTERN TOGETHER, AND I'M PLEASED TO SEE THAT WE'VE DONE THAT.

ALSO PLEASED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE DISTRICT TO SEE THAT WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO ADD AS MUCH OF THE HILLCREST FEEDER PATTERN INTO DISTRICT 2 AS WE CAN, RECOGNIZING THAT ADDING ALL OF IT IS IMPOSSIBLE SINCE ANNE FRANK ELEMENTARY AS PART OF THE HILLCREST FEEDER PATTERN, AND IT'S ALL THE WAY UP ON NORTH SIDE OF 635.

SO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IMPOSSIBLE TO CAPTURE THE ENTIRE HILLCREST FEEDER PATTERN.

BUT I THINK WE'VE DONE THE BEST THAT WE CAN AND I'M PLEASED WITH THE NORTHERN SECTION OF PLAN Y AND WILL BE SUPPORTING PLAN Y.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE DIMENSIONS OF THE ALTERNATIVE MAP FOR PLAN Y. AND YOU KNOW, I'LL KIND OF PICK UP WHERE TRUSTEE FOREMAN ENDED.

IT LOOKS LIKE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO VERSIONS OF PLAN Y IS ABOUT 150 PEOPLE MOVED FROM DISTRICT 5 TO DISTRICT 6? IS THAT RIGHT? SO THAT WHOLE, THAT WHOLE BIG GREEN AREA ON THE MAP ONLY HAS ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN IT? YES, IT'S YEAH, IT'S VERY YEAH, IT'S ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY SIX TOTAL [INAUDIBLE], ABOUT 111 VOTING EACH PARTY.

WOW. OK, WELL, GIVEN GIVEN THAT THAT'S NO PEOPLE, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT THE CRITERIA THAT WE'VE AGREED UPON REALLY AREN'T IMPACTED EITHER WAY BY THE MOVEMENT OF 150 PEOPLE.

AND AS TRUSTEE FOREMAN INDICATED, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT THIS IS MOTIVATED, AS SHE PRETTY MUCH ACKNOWLEDGED SOLELY BY THE DESIRE TO MOVE A HIGH SCHOOL.

AND SO IF THERE'S NO PEOPLE THERE AND IT'S JUST MOVING A HIGH SCHOOL, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT WOULD EVEN BE PART OF A REDISTRICTING CONVERSATION WHEN WE OUTLINED THE CRITERIA BY WHICH WE WERE GOING TO MAKE DECISIONS.

WAS THERE ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT THE NUMBER OF HIGH SCHOOLS AS A CRITERIA OR THE NUMBER OF MIDDLE SCHOOLS OR THE NUMBER OF TOTAL SCHOOLS.

AS A FORMAL SET OF CRITERIA ADOPTED BY THE BOARD? NO. TRUSTEE MARSHALL.

YEAH. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I WILL SPEAK FROM SOMEBODY JUST WITH, YOU KNOW, OVERSEEING DISTRICT 2, LIKE I HAVE THE SMALLEST NUMBER OF SCHOOLS AND ALL OF DISD AMONG THE NINE TRUSTEE DISTRICTS, AND THAT IS A REFLECTION ON ME.

IT'S A REFLECTION ON THE THE SCHOOL DENSITY WITHIN THE GEOGRAPHIC BOUNDARIES OF A PARTICULAR PART OF THE CITY.

AND IN DISTRICT 2, THERE SIMPLY AREN'T THAT MANY DISD SCHOOLS.

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AND SINCE I HAVE FEWER SCHOOLS, IT STANDS TO REASON I HAVE FEWER MIDDLE SCHOOLS, FEWER FEWER ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AND FEWER HIGH SCHOOLS.

SO THERE THERE IS NO ATTEMPT FROM MY KNOWLEDGE, EVER IN THE HISTORY OF DISD TO TRY TO EQUATE THE NUMBER OF ALL SCHOOLS OR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS OR MIDDLE SCHOOLS OR HIGH SCHOOLS FROM ONE TRUSTEE DISTRICT TO THE OTHER.

AND TO BE FRANK, I'M NOT EVEN SURE HOW YOU COULD CONCEIVABLY ACCOMPLISH THAT, BECAUSE IF YOU MOVE ALL THE WAY UP INTO TRUSTEE FLORES' DISTRICT, THERE ARE VERY FEW SCHOOLS IN THAT PART OF THE CITY, AND THERE ARE VERY FEW DISD SCHOOLS AND DISTRICT 2.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE REALITY IS THAT TRUSTEE DISTRICTS ARE DRAWN AROUND VOTERS, NOT AROUND THE NUMBER OF SCHOOLS THAT YOU HAVE AND THE NUMBER OF SCHOOLS THAT YOU HAVE IS SIMPLY A FUNCTION OF THE DENSITY OF PROPERTIES THAT WE OWN.

SO IT IS TRUE THAT DISTRICT 5 HAS THE LARGEST NUMBER OF OVERALL SCHOOLS AND THE LARGEST NUMBER OF HIGH SCHOOLS.

BUT TO ME, THAT IS AN ACCURATE OBSERVATION THAT IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT IN THIS PROCESS BECAUSE IT'S NOT ONE OF OUR CRITERIA.

SO GIVEN THAT THERE'S NO GOOD REASON TO MOVE WILMER HUTCHINS FROM DISTRICT 5, I WILL NOT SUPPORT DOING SO AND I WILL ENTHUSIASTICALLY SUPPORT PLAN Y.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, TRUSTEE MARSHALL.

TRUSTEE HENRY. I DON'T HAVE COMMENTS ON THE MAP.

YOU KNOW I TEND TO GIVE THIS TEAM A DIFFICULT TIME, BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR DILIGENCE AND I MEAN, NOT ONLY WORKED WITH ONE OF US, BUT NINE OF US.

YOU KIND OF FEEL LIKE WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE A BOARD CHAIR WHEN YOU HAVE TO SIT AND HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH EACH NINE OF US AND OUR PREFERENCES AND OUR BIASES AND OUR PASSIONS, ET CETERA. SO I WANT TO PUBLICLY THANK YOU ALL FOR THE WORK OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.

I KNOW WE'RE NOT DONE. I'M NOT FINALIZING THIS, BUT I'M TAKING THIS TIME TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE DIFFICULTY IN THE AMOUNT OF WORK YOU PUT IN.

EVEN TO GET TO THIS W, Y, THE ALTERNATE Y? I KNOW THAT'S INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT.

I'VE BEEN CHAIR OF THIS BOARD, SO I KNOW ALL, INCLUDING MYSELF.

I'M NOT THE EASIEST PERSON EITHER SO.

THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THUS FAR.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU, TRUSTEE HENRY TRUSTEE JOHNSON.

YES. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU HAVE DONE.

I KNOW WE ARE NINE DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES AND I KNOW YOU CAME OUT TO DISTRICT 5 AND IT WAS A BOXING MATCH A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE APPRECIATE IT.

TRUSTEE MARSHALL SAID A LOT.

AND I DON'T NEED TO REPEAT.

I'M TRYING NOT TO JUST NOT REALLY SAY TOO MUCH, BUT I JUST SAY THIS THAT I WILL BE SUPPORTING MAP Y.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, TRUSTEE JOHNSON.

TRUSTEE FLORES. I'LL BE SUPPORTING MAP Y.

THANK YOU. TRUSTEE MICCICHE.

YEAH. FIRST, I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE HIGH SCHOOLS THEMSELVES.

I THINK A BIG REASON THAT THE HIGH SCHOOLS ARE ALL CONCENTRATED IS BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THE MAGNET SCHOOLS IN ONE PLACE.

AND I THINK AT SOME POINT THE THE MAGNET SCHOOLS ARE NOT REALLY NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOLS, RIGHT? SO THEY JUST HAPPEN TO LAND IN IN SOMEBODY'S DISTRICT.

AND WE MIGHT WANT TO TAKE A LOOK THROUGH BOARD POLICY OF JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE MAGNET SCHOOLS WILL BE DIVIDED AMONG THE TRUSTEES SO THAT ONE TRUSTEE IS NOT PRIMARILY RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING 13 GRADUATIONS.

I, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO GET TRUSTEE JOHNSON'S INPUT ON THAT BECAUSE HE'S GOT HE'S GOT THE MOST NUMBER OF SCHOOLS. I THINK TRUSTEE HENRY HAS A LOT.

I DIDN'T FOLLOW ALL OF THEM, BUT IT DOES SEEM TO ME THAT IT'S NOT THE MAGNET SCHOOLS AND AND SOME OF OUR CHOICE HIGH SCHOOLS, THEY'RE NOT REALLY NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOLS THAT REPRESENT THAT ARE PART OF A TRUSTEE DISTRICT.

THEY JUST HAPPEN TO BE DISTRICT WIDE SCHOOLS LOCATED IN A CERTAIN PLACE.

AND MAYBE MAYBE THE WAY TO DEAL WITH WITH THAT IS TO IS TO TAKE THE THE THE HIGH SCHOOLS THAT ARE MAGNETS AND CHOICE AND AND JUST ALLOCATE RESPONSIBILITIES.

AND MOST OF THE BIGGEST RESPONSIBILITY IS GRADUATION.

BUT THERE'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE CONSTITUENT ISSUES.

AND I SAY THAT AS A SUGGESTION, AS A TOPIC TO DISCUSS.

BUT BUT BUT I'VE NOTICED THAT SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD, I REMEMBER THAT ONE TRUSTEE WAS DOING 13 GRADUATIONS AND IT DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.

AND SO THAT THIS, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOLS THAT ARE WITHIN YOUR BOUNDARIES, THOSE ARE YOUR SCHOOLS.

THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION TO CONSIDER.

BUT THE BUT THE DISTRICT WIDE MAGNET AND CHOICE SCHOOLS, WE SHOULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO ALLOCATE RESPONSIBILITIES, AMONG OTHER TRUSTEES, TO BE THE PRIMARY CONTACT OR IF AGAIN,

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BUT BUT BUT IT IS.

IT IS A HEAVY BURDEN THAT WE PUT ON THE TRUSTEE TOWARDS THE END OF THE END OF THE YEAR, AND IT IS A HEAVY BURDEN TO ACTUALLY BE THE PERSON HAVING TO RESPOND TO ALL THE CONSTITUENCY COMPLAINTS AND QUESTIONS.

I MEAN, I HAVE A LOT FROM TWO SCHOOLS.

I CAN IMAGINE WHAT IT'S LIKE FOR FOUR, 13 OR SEVEN SCHOOLS.

SO, SO SO I PUT THAT AS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT AFTER WE AFTER WE DRAW THESE MAPS AND IS WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO MAKE A CHANGE LIKE THAT.

SECONDLY, ON THE ON THESE MAPS, I OBVIOUSLY PREFERRED PLAN W BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY PUTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I LIVE IN TOGETHER INSTEAD OF ADDING TO DISTRICT 3, SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME PRECINCTS IN THE FAR PART OF, I GUESS IT WOULD BE IN THE FAR PART OF MY DISTRICT ON THE NORTHWEST.

YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE WE ALL NEED TO TO COMPROMISE.

I WENT FOR A RUN ALONG, RUN AROUND THE LAKE AND THERE WERE ALL THESE PARENTS WHO WERE FURIOUS WHEN I GOT TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE LAKE.

THEY ALL WERE OUT THERE SAYING, GO BACK, GO BACK TO GO BACK AND STAY ON THE EAST SIDE.

NO, I'M OBVIOUSLY KIDDING, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO HAVE TO.

I WILL SUPPORT PLAN Y AND IT PLANWILL Y ME A MARATHON TO GET TO THIS NEW PART OF MY DISTRICT, WHICH I'M NOT READY TO DO ONE YET AND DO ANOTHER ONE NOW.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, TRUSTEE MICCICHE.

TRUSTEE IS ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE FIRST ROUND HERE.

[INAUDIBLE] TRUSTEE CARREÓN.

YEAH. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I WON'T.

I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE LEGAL TEAM, OUR DEMOGRAPHER, FOR TAKING THE TIME TO MEET WITH ME MULTIPLE TIMES.

AND AND THEN FOR ALSO HEARING MY SOAPBOX MULTIPLE TIMES, NOT HEAR FOR FOR MULTIPLE MONTHS. BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY, AND I WON'T BELABOR THE POINT, I THINK THIS BOARD MY PERCEPTION WAS THAT THIS BOARD WAS COMMITTED TO TO COMING OUT OF THIS PROCESS WITH THREE LATINO OPPERTUNITY DISTRICTS, THREE AFRICAN-AMERICAN OPPORTUNITY DISTRICTS AND THREE WHITE OPPORTUNITY DISTRICTS.

AND THE TRUTH IS, I DON'T THINK PLAN Y SATISFIES THAT GOAL.

I THINK IT FAILS ON THAT POINT, AND I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO TRUST ME ON THAT.

I THINK THIS ANALYSIS THAT YOU'VE REFERENCED EARLIER SUGGESTS THAT A LATINO CANDIDATE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE AN UPHILL CHALLENGE IN BEING ELECTED IN DISTRICT 7, WHICH IS AT LEAST ON PAPER, THE STRONGEST OF THE LATINO OPPORTUNITY DISTRICTS.

AND AND SO FOR THAT REASON, I THINK BOTH OF THESE MAPS DO NOT SATISFY THE CRITERIA THAT WE SET OUT AT THE BEGINNING.

THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT.

THANK YOU, TRUSTEE CARREÓN ANYONE ELSE FOR FIRST ROUND? WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE SECOND ROUND. TRUSTEE FOREMAN.

YES, I'D LIKE TO JUST ADDRESS TRUSTEE MARSHALL, WHO SAID THAT IT WAS NOT A CRITERIA TO LOOK AT HIGH SCHOOLS.

WHAT WE VOTED ON.

TRUSTEE MARSHALL, WE DIDN'T HAVE A CRITERIA TO PUT ALL SCHOOLS, AND A FEEDER PATTERN IN ONE DISTRICT EITHER.

BUT YOU PURSUED THAT.

AND SO WHEN YOU CALL ME OUT, ON PURSUING WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT FOR MY DISTRICT.

YOU LEAVE ME NO ALTERNATIVE BUT TO CALL YOU OUT BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT A PART OF WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO.

BUT YOU GOT IT.

AND THAT MAKES IT OK? THAT MAKES IT OK? CLEARLY, YOU CAN'T RESPOND BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID.

THANK YOU, TRUSTEE FOREMAN.

TRUSTEES IS ANYONE ELSE FOR A SECOND ROUND? TRUSTEE HENRY? TRUSTEE FLORES, FOLLOWED BY TRUSTEE, OR TRUSTEE HENRY FOLLOWED BY TRUSTEE FLORES, TWO POINTS I WANT TO AFFIRM TO MY COLLEAGUES, I DON'T WANT THEM TO BE OUT THERE ON THEIR OWN

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I DO THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA REGARDING THE MAGNET AND SO ON.

I THINK ONE OF THE CHALLENGES YOU HAVE WHEN THERE'S HAVE A LOT OF SCHOOLS IN MY DISTRICT AS WELL IS UNDOUBTEDLY YOU END UP EVEN MEETING.

YOU HAVE THE REQUIREMENT OR THE EXPECTATION TO BE AT THESE GRADUATIONS.

AND I'VE MISSED PROBABLY ONE OF MY SCHOOL'S GRADUATIONS EVERY YEAR.

FOREMAN DID LINCOLN LAST YEAR BECAUSE THEY END UP BEING ON THE SAME DATE.

SO THEN I'M FORCED TO CHOOSE BETWEEN GOING TO GRADUATION BETWEEN TWO SCHOOLS THAT I LOVE EQUALLY IN DISTRICT 9, SO I KIND OF TRY TO ALTERNATE THEM.

SO THAT IS A DISCUSSION THAT THE BOARD LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE AT SOME POINT.

TO TRUSTEE CARREÓN POINT.

I, YOU KNOW, I WON'T LEAVE YOU OUT THERE. I AGREE WITH YOUR SENTIMENT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S A DIFFICULT CHALLENGE, BUT I DEFINITELY THINK WE FELL SHORT OF THAT PARTICULAR GOAL AS A BOARD.

TRUSTEE FLORES. I FAILED TO THANK THE LEGAL TEAM THINKS IN IN IRAQI.

I MEAN, YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB THAT WE WENT THROUGH PLANES A THROUGH Y IS A REFLECTION OF YOUR ABILITY TO TAKE FEEDBACK AND, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH TRUSTEES INDIVIDUALLY. I MEAN, THIS IS A REALLY, REALLY TOUGH PROCESS.

WE'RE DOING IT IN AN ABBREVIATED TIMELINE.

AND SO JUST THANK YOU.

THANKS EVERYBODY WHO'S PARTICIPATED.

THE EXPERT THAT JUMPED ON, YOU KNOW, GETTING US SOME SOME FEEDBACK ON ON PLAN W THAT APPLIES EQUALLY TO WHY SO JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU PUBLICLY FOR THE HARD WORK THAT YOU DID AND THE GREAT WORK THAT YOU DID.

AND I THINK THAT, YEAH, I MEAN, WE WILL FALL SHORT.

BUT BUT THERE JUST ISN'T DESPITE, I THINK, GOOD FAITH EFFORTS.

IT'S JUST NOT NOT POSSIBLE TO DRAW MAPS SOME WAYS.

SO REALLY, REALLY THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK.

THANKS. THANK YOU, TRUSTEE FLORES, ANYONE ELSE TRUSTEE JOHNSON? YES, TO RESPOND TO TRUSTEE MICCICHE.

YOU KNOW, TOWN VIEW SITS IN THE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HEART OF DISTRICT 5, RIGHT BY EIGHTH STREET OR ON EIGHTH STREET.

AND SO TRUSTEE HENRY, DID BEST IT BEST THAT THERE ARE TIMES THAT YOU HAVE THAT GRADUATION ON THE SAME DAY, AT THE SAME TIME.

WHICH IS CHALLENGING, BUT YOU KNOW WHOM MUCH IS GIVEN, MUCH IS REQUIRED.

BUT I'M WHEN I TOOK THIS CITY AND WAS BLESSED TO BE A SERVANT IN DISTRICT 5, IT CAME ALONG WITH THE TERRITORY.

AND SO IT HAS BEEN SOME CHALLENGING AND I THINK THANKS TO TRUSTEE MACKEY, WHO MAKE THE LAST TWO YEARS WENT TO TAG WHERE HE WAS THE FORMER PRINCIPAL OF.

AND I KNOW THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO HIM BECAUSE HE KNOWS THOSE KIDS AND REALLY HELPED THOSE KIDS GET TO WHERE THEY ARE.

SO I WOULD DEFINITELY LOVE TO TALK WITH YOU OFFLINE AND MEET WITH TRUSTEE HENRY AND TALK TO THE BOARD ABOUT HOW WE DO.

HOW CAN WE MAKE THAT HAPPEN? SO WHOEVER WANTS IT, I MEAN, I'M COOL WITH DOING THAT AND HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH YOU OFFLINE. THANK YOU, TRUSTEE JOHNSON.

TRUSTEE MICCICHE. YEAH.

AND I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT THE TRUSTEES WHO HAVE THE LARGEST NUMBER OF SCHOOLS AND HAVE THE LARGEST NUMBER OF COMMUNITIES WORK REALLY HARD.

THIS IS NOT A, YOU KNOW, A CRITICISM OF WHAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

AND I, YOU KNOW, I TAKE AS CORRECT TRUSTEE JOHNSON'S POINT THAT THAT'S WHAT HE SIGNED UP FOR. BUT IT DOES. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T ALLOCATE THE WORKLOAD A LITTLE BIT MORE FAIRLY THAN IT THAN IT IS RIGHT NOW.

AND IF YOU AND TRUSTEE HENRY AND THE OTHER TRUSTEES ARE, YOU KNOW, OPEN TO THAT DISCUSSION, I THINK IT'S IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD PURSUE.

BUT I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO PUSH ANYTHING THAT THE TRUSTEES WHO ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED IN TERMS OF LOSING THE PRIMARY REPRESENTATION FOR A SCHOOL IF THEY'RE NOT IN FAVOR OF TALKING ABOUT IT, I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE PUSHING THAT.

ANYONE ELSE FOR SECOND ROUND? I WANT TO JUST ADD MY THANKS TO THE TEAM AND FOR ALL OF THE WORK AND ENGAGEMENTS, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY COMMUNITY MEETINGS WE'VE HAD OVER THIS PROCESS, AND AGAIN, THE PROCESS ISN'T DONE YET. WE WILL CONSIDER THE MAP AND VOTE ON DECEMBER 16TH.

I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR KEEPING US GROUNDED IN THE NINE CRITERIA THAT THIS BOARD SET.

AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, TRUSTEES HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS ON WHETHER OR NOT WHAT'S IMPACTING ONE CRITERIA, WHAT'S IMPACTING A DIFFERENT CRITERIA.

AND THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A WAY IN WHICH OTHER CRITERIA SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THERE THAT NOW IN HINDSIGHT, WE WOULD HAVE WANTED TO ADD.

BUT THE REALITY IS WE DIDN'T, AND WE FOLLOWED THE NINE CRITERIA THAT WERE SET THE FOUR

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AND SO I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT AND THANK YOU TO HELPING US BRING IT TO THIS POINT. SO AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THAT WORK.

AGAIN, THERE'S STILL A COUPLE MORE WEEKS LEFT IN THIS PROCESS.

I KNOW THERE'S OTHER TRUSTEES AND MYSELF WILL HAVE COMMUNITY MEETINGS ON THIS MAP, ET CETERA. AND SO I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT, BUT I WANT TO THANK MY COLLEAGUES FOR THAT AS WELL. SO WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES ITEM 4A.

WE DO HAVE TWO BRIEF ITEMS. ITEM 4B IS THE RESOLUTION.

[B. Discussion of the Resolution Authorizing the Dallas Independent School District Board of Trustees to Serve the Remainder of Their Terms Following Redistricting]

AND REALLY, IT'S A RESPONSE TO THE REDISTRICTING ENSURING THAT THE POSITIONS OF THE TRUSTEES CONTINUE ON FOLLOWING ANY ADOPTION AND STAGGERING AND CONTINUE STAGGERING THE TERMS OF THE RESPECTIVE TRUSTEE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT ELECTION TIMES.

AND THEN ITEM, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME PASS ON THE RESOLUTION, ANY QUESTIONS HERE.

TRUSTEE MARSHALL.

THIS MAKES A WHOLE TON OF SENSE TO ME IF WE HAD REDISTRICT, IF WE WERE VOTING ON A MAP THAT WOULD REDISTRICT ANYBODY OUT OF THEIR DISTRICT.

BUT GIVEN THAT WE ARE NOT DOING SO, IS THERE ANY NEED TO PASS THIS? I MEAN, SHOULDN'T THIS JUST BE REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA GIVEN TO THE MAP WE'RE LANDING ON? SO THERE'S A PROVISION UNDER STATE LAW THAT REALLY WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND AND ADVISE IS THAT WE DO A RESOLUTION BECAUSE THE FALLBACK OR THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT ONCE YOU DO REDISTRICT AND OTHERWISE DON'T INDICATE WHETHER OR NOT TRUSTEES WILL CONTINUE ON IN THEIR POSITIONS, THAT THE IMPLICATION IS IS THAT THEY WON'T.

DON'T UNTIL YOU ACT AS AN OPT IN, NOT AN OPT OUT.

YES.

OR OPT OUT, NOT AN OPT IN.

GOT IT. YES. ALL RIGHT. THANKS.

THANK YOU. TRUSTEE MARSHALL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE RESOLUTION? ITEM 4C CAN YOU GIVE ANOTHER QUICK BRIEF BACKGROUND ON BOARD POLICY?

[C. Discussion of Board Policy BBB (Local) Board Members Elections]

YES, THERE IS A REVISION CURRENTLY BEING PROPOSED TO YOUR BOARD POLICY, AND THOSE SPECIFIC REVISIONS REALLY JUST MEAN EXTENDING OUT THE TIMES AT WHICH THE STAGGERED ELECTIONS OCCUR FOR THE PARTICULAR SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS.

SO I BELIEVE CURRENTLY IT ONLY TAKES US TO ABOUT 2026 ON THREE SETS OF THE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT PLACES.

NOW WE'RE JUST EXTENDING THOSE THOSE YEARS TO INDICATE THE THREE YEAR INTERVALS FOR THOSE SPECIFIC SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS.

THANK YOU, TRUSTEE, ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, WITH THAT, IT IS 4:38 P.M.

AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

WE HAVE NEED FOR HEARINGS SO TODAY.

TRUSTEE JOHNSON, TRUSTEE MACKEY AND TRUSTEE CARREÓN ON TODAY'S HEARING.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.